https://wiki.iotaphi.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AViking_ChapterTalk:Viking Chapter - Revision history2026-09-11T11:41:41ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.36.0-alphahttps://wiki.iotaphi.org/index.php?title=Talk:Viking_Chapter&diff=11544&oldid=prevNaraht at 17:33, 23 July 20052005-07-23T17:33:28Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I suspect it is a colloquialism. My wife was active in the Dallas area for a number of years, and even dated a member at one time before we met. It was over 6 years ago, but they referred to themselves as such and so did everyone else in the area. [http://xinuapo.org/newsletter/NewsletterN1V1_2004.pdf Their Alumni Newsletter] refers to themselves as a Viking chapter in the middle of page 1 and in the same context as I use it. Then again, it is moot point of discussion since the chapter apparently went inactive in the last few years, and will have to come back co-ed whether they want to or not. Perhaps it is that most if not all other all male chapters in that area are HBCU so they just rolled with it, and in the midwest and eastern all-male chapters don't have the same context and feel differently.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I suspect it is a colloquialism<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. I meant that they may not use the symbolism, but take the name out of its prevalence and common usage</ins>. My wife was active in the Dallas area for a number of years, and even dated a member at one time before we met. It was over 6 years ago, but they referred to themselves as such and so did everyone else in the area. [http://xinuapo.org/newsletter/NewsletterN1V1_2004.pdf Their Alumni Newsletter] refers to themselves as a Viking chapter in the middle of page 1 and in the same context as I use it. Then again, it is moot point of discussion since the chapter apparently went inactive in the last few years, and will have to come back co-ed whether they want to or not. Perhaps it is that most if not all other all male chapters in that area are HBCU so they just rolled with it, and in the midwest and eastern all-male chapters don't have the same context and feel differently<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. I guess I may very well basing my arguement on one chapter and insulting both sides, since for all I know HBCU chapters may have looked down on them for using the name, but it is my experience</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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</table>RogerClarkhttps://wiki.iotaphi.org/index.php?title=Talk:Viking_Chapter&diff=3121&oldid=prevRogerClark at 16:27, 18 July 20052005-07-18T16:27:56Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I suspect it is a colloquialism. My wife was active in the Dallas area for a number of years, and even dated a member at one time before we met. It was over 6 years ago, but they referred to themselves as such and so did everyone else in the area. [http://xinuapo.org/newsletter/NewsletterN1V1_2004.pdf Their Alumni Newsletter] refers to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">them </del>as a Viking in the middle of page 1. Then again, it is moot point of discussion since the chapter apparently went inactive in the last few years, and will have to come back co-ed whether they want to or not. Perhaps it is that most other all male chapters in that area are HBCU so they just rolled with it, and in the midwest and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">east </del>all-male chapters don't <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">feel </del>the same <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">way</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I suspect it is a colloquialism. My wife was active in the Dallas area for a number of years, and even dated a member at one time before we met. It was over 6 years ago, but they referred to themselves as such and so did everyone else in the area. [http://xinuapo.org/newsletter/NewsletterN1V1_2004.pdf Their Alumni Newsletter] refers to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">themselves </ins>as a Viking <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">chapter </ins>in the middle of page 1 <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and in the same context as I use it</ins>. Then again, it is moot point of discussion since the chapter apparently went inactive in the last few years, and will have to come back co-ed whether they want to or not. Perhaps it is that most <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">if not all </ins>other all male chapters in that area are HBCU so they just rolled with it, and in the midwest and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">eastern </ins>all-male chapters don't <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">have </ins>the same <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">context and feel differently</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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